The way it all start­ed was in 1964 I was at a con­fer­ence in the home­stead in Virginia. And Lick and I were sit­ting around talk­ing with Corbató, who was run­ning the time-sharing sys­tem at MIT. And Lick was talk­ing about what do we need next? And I was very inter­est­ed in that. And so he was say­ing, ​“Well, we need a net­work to tie the machines togeth­er. We need some way to have them communicate.”