Scratching the Surface

Scratching the Surface #153: Denise Gonzales Crisp

presented by Denise Gonzales Crisp, Jarrett Fuller

It has devel­op­men­tal­ly tak­en me a long time to real­ize I real­ly need peo­ple. So you know, it goes from that kind of like I’m going to be the hero­ic artist in my ate­lier,” to you know, Let’s get togeth­er and make s’mores and drink whisky and make design.”

Scratching the Surface #72: Shannon Mattern

presented by Jarrett Fuller, Shannon Mattern

I used to kind of deify these peo­ple, pre­sum­ing that they were pre­sent­ing some gospel that I just had to work and work and work to try to under­stand so that I could like, put on their glass­es and see the world through their lens­es. But ulti­mate­ly I real­ized that these are—and I’ve writ­ten this else­where, too—like, these are fal­li­ble peo­ple, often ego­ma­ni­acs, often real­ly bad writ­ers. And that’s why I can’t under­stand it. So it’s not to give up on them too quick­ly. If you put in the work to try to under­stand what they’re say­ing. But not to regard their work as gospel.